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ill give aew credit for something. somehow they made me interested in cody/jericho.
 

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the first guy aew actually changed my opinion on. scorpio sky. these last 3 weeks hes been a gem.
 

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What was wrong with Sky? He's like the Elix Skipper of Triple X equivalent for SCU, right?
 

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i just found scu boring and irrelevant. sky has definitely passed the elix skipper spot and is easily the most intriguing of the 3 of them. i know daniels is mainly gonna be backstage now, but i doubt even kazarian cares about frankie kazarian any more.

whole lot to unwrap from the new japan show. i haven't watched yet but okada/ibushi and white/naito on night 1 of wk, with the winners facing off on night 2 for both straps. jericho vs tana for night 2 (so i guess tana will get moxley on night 1?) and hiromu returned from his broken neck to challenge my lovely vanilla midget william ospreay. whoo.
 

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i just found scu boring and irrelevant. sky has definitely passed the elix skipper spot and is easily the most intriguing of the 3 of them. i know daniels is mainly gonna be backstage now, but i doubt even kazarian cares about frankie kazarian any more.

whole lot to unwrap from the new japan show. i haven't watched yet but okada/ibushi and white/naito on night 1 of wk, with the winners facing off on night 2 for both straps. jericho vs tana for night 2 (so i guess tana will get moxley on night 1?) and hiromu returned from his broken neck to challenge my flippy vanilla midget william ospreay. whoo.
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extreme rules 2012

brooooocccckkkkk! lessssssnnnnaaaarrrr! so i thought about just using my previous running thoughts for this, but... theres 2 4 star matches on this card, and punk/jericho wasnt terrible, so i could stand to watch this again with all the terribleness ive watched already. so, here we go.

opening video is of brock basically calling everyone in the company a bitch. and he goes right after cena.

we're kicking off with kane. falls count anywhere, him vs randall. my excitement is uncontainable.

punch. kick. punch. kick.... punch! but this time in the stands!

"we didnt see any emotion on kanes face for his own dad!"
"hes got a mask on, what do you expect to see?"
thank you booker. somehow you are the voice of reason right now.

as orton/kane are just throwing punches constantly the entire match and work their way backstage, zack ryder gets some licks in on kane. which kane absolutely no sells. good for kane.

the action around the ring has picked up. nothing great or anything, but significantly better than the first 10 minutes of just throwing punches and kicks in the crowd.

orton throws some theatrics into his rko, and gets the win. that was... there. im glad that feud is over.

and we're back to eve and big johnny. looks like theyre about to play "spin the wheel make the deal." teddy providing bottle service. he cant pour THE BUBBLAY for shit.

brodus clay. to a pop? what planet am i on. and hes bringing hornswoggle with him. lets just combine everything atrocious about this company.

EXCUSE ME! its only getting better folks! vickie did a hell of a job on her body, gotta be honest. and here comes dolph. out with swagger, whos in a suit.

sounds like we got a large contingent of "lets go ziggler" chants. i like it. unfortunately hes tasked with dragging brodus to a passable match here.

a hell of a sell job on a battering ram headbutt, followed by a big splash, and brodus wins. sorry dolph.

pre-show shows us a spin the wheel make the deal stip for big show/cody... its a tables match. and thats up now. how exciting! we get a wrestlemania recap. i barely wanted to live that terrible show once.

here comes witlons favorite wrestler, cody rhodes.

"if cody had put his foot through that table there, big show wouldve won the match" foreshadow much?

i... actually really like that ending. i like the surprise and abruptness of it, and the match was actually worked very logically. it wasnt flair/steamboat or anything, but it was logical, and thats 3/4ers of the battle at this point.

oof, that was a nice table spot cody took post-match from the gorilla press. big show kinda missed the exact target too.

striker backstage with danny b. generic promo. and aj lee is sulking in the background as db walks away.

18 seconds. we're all about 18 seconds in the match promo. db dumps aj lee. big johnny fines sheamus 500 grand. could they at least come up with a reasonable number... sheamus probably wasnt making much more than that a year at that point. on with the match... i know this is a good one, at least.

chicago crowd is very pro-db and anti-sheamus.

sheamus really sat down on that texas cloverleaf.

"i have til 5"

i love daniel bryan. its not a rest hold folks, when youre working on a part of the body thats relevant to your finish! logic. i like it so much ill ignore that i heard daniel calling the next spot to sheamus.

hey sheamus. when you do the battering ram with the shoulder dan's been working on the entire match... try to sell it after the pinfall attempt. thanks bud.

im sure i said this in my initial review of this event, but ill repeat it again... i LOVE the sacrificing of a fall, to weaken your opponent. especially stealing a fall right back. it might apply a touch more in iron man matches, but it worked wonderfully here too. i do kinda hate that they couldnt just let sheamus tap out, sometimes admitting defeat doesnt hurt your conquering hero as much as vince likes to think, but ill give it a pass.

the subtlety of sheamus turning his body to take bryans kicks to his back instead of the arm/shoulder. of course our announcers make no mention of this.

man what a sell job by bryan on that final brogue. well done. sheamus continues to sell the shoulder in the post-match. i even feel like king, booker and cole knew they watched a damn good match right there. ahh dammit, sheamus raised the belt with the bad shoulder outside the ring. oh well. i wont knock it too much because i really enjoyed that. that daniel bryan has this wrestling thing figured out.

aaron relic and jay hatton. im sure these are local indy guys. i dont recognize them though. "who here likes math?" "who here likes mimes?" this is rybacks ppv debut.

man they shoulda let him use that lariat as the finish. he used the backpack stunner on one, and the fisherman driver on the other. whatever. thats fun stuff. simple yet effective. dont worry, theyll fuck this guys push up in due time.

backstage with striker and punk. solid promo. the build up and storyline of this match is totally terrible though. mehhhh.

the youngest aew world champ ever out to boos. mega pop for sir punkerton.

this was probably a better live viewing match. i dont get that real "animosity" feel. or i just dont have the emotions im supposed to have from the build up.

"A BIG PIECE OF GOLD DAWG" booker is incredible

its amazing how much sloppiness or downright mediocrity that i/we as wrestling fans, let punk get away with because he was the only captivating character they had during this time period. hes... not a great wrestler. probably not even a good one. he gets the subtleties and he can cut a promo, but inside the ring... mehhhhh.

"HES NOT GON DO DIS" "HES NOT GON DO DIS" "HES GON DO IT!" i love you booker. youre the only thing carrying me these last couple minutes of this match.

punk reverses a jericho gts attempt into a catapult into the exposed turnbuckle, and his own gts. that carried on too long for me. i finally get what witlon means when he says "thats just gonna drop more the more times i watch it." im sure i liked that a lot in 2012. i think i was in the mid 3's when i watched it however long ago i watched it. that really started to drain me about halfway through this time around. i... dont care for cm punk. there, i said it. and now i need another break from this ppv.

alright im back before football, i wanna get this out of the way. even if i still have high hopes for brock/cena, having already seen this ppv on a timeline is keeping me from getting through this.

punk is still celebrating with his family. get this guy out of here.

the pre-show says santino is the goddamn us champ. and he beat the miz clean with the cobra. dear god.

eve tells beth shes not getting a title shot. so whichever bella twin it is, is gonna defend against somebody else. and no one cares. "we promised the people a divas championship match" *BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*

so nikki is the bella thats the champ. still no one cares. and out comes layla. to more not caring from anyone.

kick. hair pull. kick. bret hart would be so proud.

im lame, i actually like the whole twin magic gimmick. especially when it backfires, like it did here. this match was still pretty bad however.

striker interviewing big johnny. basically the same promo he always cuts.

brock/cena up next. a lord tensai mention in the promo video! magnificent.

nice pop for brock, turns to a smattering of boos. hes weird without heyman doing the heyman strut next to him, but thats ok.

lesnar busted cena up in seconds with one of those elbows.

whats the point of the ref bump in a match like this? i guess to just let cena bleed without them having to stop the momentum every minute.

charles robinson aimlessly wandering in the way of that f5 was so hokey and dumb. dont even bring him back in the ring yet if thats what you were gonna resort to.

holy shit that was some spill brock took there. oof.

cena wins with a punch with the chain, and an aa on the steps. that match was very good, brutal as hell. brock is a beast. personally theres something to be said for cena taking ALL of that punishment, and basically wins with a punch with a loaded object and an aa. but whatever, maybe im nitpicking? anything 4 stars or above is damn good though, and that was damn good.

and cena cuts a promo post-match. i know brock was not happy about this backstage.

4.25 stars: cena/lesnar
4 stars: sheamus/bryan
2.75 stars: punk/jericho
2 stars: cody/show
1.5 stars: orton/kane
1 star: brodus/dolph; layla/bellas
dud: ryback/jobbers
 
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If Jericho can use Mr. Hughes for a short time, why not The Curly One, Soultrain Virgil Vincent Jones
 

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ooooof. the ref stopping the count randomly at 2.5 during the pac/trent match. that was horrendous, for a match that was damn solid to that point. the pump kick to orange cassidy was superb.

anyway im only trying to squeeze this in before football, to see cody's promo, which is getting major raves all over the place.
 

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solid promo. even a good promo. but not the absolute classic game changer that was coming out about it.
 

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the jericho promo video with the inner circle and virgil was 10 times better to me than codys promo. everything about this was absolutely genius.

 

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solid promo. even a good promo. but not the absolute classic game changer that was coming out about it.
I didn't know people were throwing out that Cody promo like that. Do they deem it on the same level of a CM Punk pipebomb, Austin 3:16?

I thought it was solid too, but didn't really do anything new. He invoked his dad like he's done in the past, and recounted what he's done since the WWE. However, before that carny succubus line, just calling Jericho a dick was his best rebuttal to being called a millennial bitch?
 

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when i saw rocky went out of his way to praise the promo i was expecting something big. maybe i just had too high expectations.
 

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Oh, I had this for last year and never posted it.

Enjoy!

So let's start this out...

Only 3 people we're in the first 3 Royal Rumbles, they were: Jake Roberts, One Man Gang/Akeem and Tito Santana. Kina an odd stat there.

25/52 guys were in two Rumbles through 1990, so under half there, as well. The roster turnover from 1988 to 1990 is kinda underrated, isn't it?

- Through 1992. 38 men had been in multiple Rumble matches. 2 had been in all 5 (Santana & Jake). 6 more had been in 4 Rumbles. Hulk Hogan (3) and One Man Gang/Akeem are the only two to be in the final four twice. 6 men made the final four in their only Rumble appearance to this point.

- Through 1993, Santana keeps his streak alive. Jake is gone and falls into a tie for second with Savage, Martel and Barry Darsow. Savage added his second final four with this match.

- Through 1994, Santana's streak ends, and Savage and Martel tie for the most. Nobody new joins the 5 club. Four new guys join the final four club, and all of them would add another final four in the future. Huh.

- Through 1995. 58 of 111 have been in multiple Rumbles. Martel takes the 'most' lead with his 7th. Shawn Michaels joins the 5 club and gets his second final four. An ECW champion joins the list for the second straight year, after Bam Bam in '94.

- Through 1996. Shawn Michaels joins the 6 match club, as does Jake Roberts in his return to the company. Shawn and Davey Boy get thier third final fours. We get the Rumble debut of 3 future WWF champions, and 2 former NWA/WCW champions all in this match. Nuts. This is also the first Rumble in the PPV era that didn't end the show.

- Through 1997. The Razor Ramon character finally makes its Rumble debut! Scott Hall may've been on of the few hall of famers that was never in a Rumble. Jake joins Rick Martel asw the only 7 time entrants. The Undertaker gets his first, of many, I'm guessing, final four appearance here. As does Glen Jacobs. Huh.

- Through 1998. Owen Hart jumps up on the 6 list...and not much else happened here. I only counted Foley as one appearance, despite him coming in 3 times here. It's whatever though. This is the debut of a future WWF champion, though, I guess? 82 of 148 have been in multiple Rumbles to this point.

- Through 1999. Owen joins Jake and Martel with 7 appearances. Austin gets a third consecutive final four. Vince joins Duggan, Studd and Flair as guys to win their first rumble match. And with Studd, are the only two to win their only Rumble appearance. We get the debut of 4 future IC champs (Chyna, Edge, Test & Val Venis), and a world champ here.

- Through 2000. Rikishi joins the six time club, under his 4th gimmick (Headshrinker, Makin' A Difference, Sultan, Rikishi.) Charles Wright and Nelson Frazier join the 5 club, as does Bob Backlund. Glen Jacobs and The Rock get their second final fours here to become the 9th and 10th to get to that milestone Davey Boy, Hogan, Shawn, Austin, Bret, Luger, Savage and One Man Gang. 37 different guys had been in the final four to this point, out of 167 entrants.

- Through 2001. Another year, another Austin final four and he breaks the tie for most all time to this point with 4. For this year, we'll go with IC champs in the Rumble. To this point, 45 former or future IC champs have entered the Rumble out of 176 total entrants. We're up to 17 guys with at least 5 Rumble appearances, and 6 of them never made it to the final four (by this point, anyway.)

- Through 2002. Quick write up here, as I want to get one more year done before work. Solofa Fatu vaults into first with most Rumbles with 8! Charles Wright joins the 7 club. Billy Gunn, Steve Austin and Glen Jacobs join the 6 Club, as Austin extends his lead with 5 final fours. Curt Hennig makes his return and makes 20 guys to be in 5 Rumbles. 4 World Champs debut here in Kurt Angle, DDP, Booker T and Rob Van Dam.

- Through 2003. Last one for the night...a bunch of new debuts this year as the OVW crew comes up. Cena, Mysterio, Batista and Brock all made their Rumble debuts here. Rikishi keeps on trucking with his 9th Rumble appearance. Jacvobs and Michaels join the 7 match club. And we even add two ECW champions in Dreamer and...well, Chavo Guerrero!

- Through 2004. Goldberg and Randy Orton make their debuts here, so a couple more champs at least. Rikishi hits his tenth, but this...might be it this time. We hit 100 different co-holders of the WWF tag titles with this Rumble and Rico's appearance, so that's a fun little stat. Tag champs is such a weird list though, because you've got random guys like John Studd, Dick Murdoch, Rico and Mo on the list. Glen Jacobs gets #8 here, and Billy Gunn joins the 7 club in his (probable) final Rumble.

- Through 2005. This the year of fantastic debuts! Daniel Puder, Kenzo Suzuki, Luther Reigns, Muhammad Hassan, Orlando Jordan, Simon Dean, Jonathan Coachman, Gene Snitsky! And then former tag champs Jindrak and Paul London. Holy crap, what a group that flamed quickly. I guess London found his role as a tag guy, and Hassan's failure really wasn't his doing, but still. Shawn and Kane join the 9 list here. Viscera props himself up with his 6th rumble.

- Through 2006. A couple important debuts in Lashley and John Morrison, but another ho hum year. Vis joins the 7 club, Kane and Michaels tie Rikishi's record for most. We sit at 31 guys that have been in 5 Rumbles to this point, with lumanaries such as Barry Darsow, Savio Vega and Bob Backlund on the list. Yay. To this point, we've had 25 NWA/WCW (not counting post WCW era here, which could add a few more...) world champs to this point.

- Through 2007. The debuts of 3 future world champions in Miz, CM Punk and The Great Khali. Shawn and Kane hit 11 here. Viscera vaults into 4th with his 8th Rumble. 58 of 237 guys to this point have been in at least 4 Rumbles. A little over half (132) have been in multiple Rumbles to this point.

- Through 2008. Not much by way of debuts. A couple IC champs and a US champ, I guess. Ho hem. Shawn and Kane get their 12th Rumbles here, and Vis keeps marching towards Rikishi with his 9th. Kane joins Austin as the only man with 5 final fours here, as we hit 49 guys in the final four total, only 20 have done it twice or more. The one list is kinda scary with Hercules, Dino Bravo and Brian Knobbs on it, though.

- Through 2009. Kane is by himself with 13 Rumbles. The Undertaker breaks the tie for 5th with his eighth Rumble. Another world champion debuts in Dolph Ziggler. Triple H, Dustin Rhodes and Shelton Benjamin hit the 7 mark to bring that total up to 14, six of them never hit the final four though.

- Through 2010. Beth Phoenix is the second female to enter the Rumble. Future World Champ Jack Swagger made his debut here. Shelton, HHH and Big Show join 8 Rumble club. Matt Hardy makes his 9th appearance here. Batista is still perfect in final fours, as he has been in 4 Rumbles, and been in the last 4 every time. Let's do...US champs this year! 57 former or future US champions have een in the Rumble out of 256 guys. Craziness!

- Through 2011. Alberto Del Rio joins the list of guys who won the rumble in their first try. Kane extends his most lead with 15 Rumbles here. Shelton and Big Show prop up to 8 and we now have 18 guys that have been in 7 Rumbles or more. Here we get the debut of 3 future world champions in Daniel Bryan, Sheamus and Husky Harris. Quite the little group, huh? Anyway, this is the only 40 man Rumble thankfully, but nobody seemed out of place from the list of guys in there, so...okay.

- Through 2012. The brand split is gone, so I don't have shitty colours to try to navigate through on the Wiki, so yay. Kane's streak ends at 15 to have a terrible match with John Cena, so...yay? Booker T joins the 8 club, Chris Jericho joins the 9 Club. Randy Orton ties Steve Austin, Kane and Shawn Michaels with 5 final fours, the most of all time. We get the debut of another world champion, but it's fucking Jinder Mahal, so...that probably shouldn't be mentioned at all.

- Through 2013. A couple more midcard champs in Cesaro and Ryback make their debuts. And...ehhh, not much else here. Kane returns for #16. Godfather comes back and gets 8, as that total rises to 12 guys. We prop up to 53 guys with at least 5 appearances out of 286 total entrants.

- Through 2014. 3 new world champs debut, all members of the Sheild. Batista makes it 5 for 5 on final fours. 17 Rumbles for Kane. The Great Khali joins the 8 list! We're at 22 guys with at least 2 final fours with Sheamus joining, and 60 with at least 1.

- Through 2015. Only 3 debuts here in Adam Rose, Bubba Dudley and The Boogeyman. Pretty odd considering some of these runs. Kane gets his record 6th final four in his 18th Rumble. Goldust joins Rikishi in the 10 club. The Miz gets #8. Cody Rhodes and Kofi Kingston get their 7th appearance.

- Through 2016. It's the debut of two future champions in AJ Styles and Kevin Owens. Triple H and Chris Jericho join the 9 club. HHH also adds his 5th final four to tie Batista, Orton and Shawn behind Kane. We're up to 305 people ever entering the Rumble match, with 184 of them being multiple time entries.

- Through 2017. We're back to the brand split. Yay! Two more US champs debut in Kalisto and Baron Corbin, bringing our total to 69. And tag champ Xavier Woods joins the list...and not much else here, bring the total of WWF Tag champs to 149...sheesh. Undertaker, Miz and Jericho join the 10 Rumble club. Roman stays perfect on Final Four appearances at 4 in 4.

- Through 2018. We finish up with the debuts of Shinsuke Nakamura, Adam Cole and Andrade Cien Almas. Not going into depth here, as I'll do a seperate post on the final stats to this point. Also, not including the Oil Rumble here, but maybe I'll add it after this weekend.

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Rumbles Entered
Total Entrants: 321
People With Multiple: 192
Glen Jacobs (Isaac Yankem, Diesel, Kane) : 19
Shawn Michaels : 13
Goldust : 12 (No Final Fours)
Big Show : 11
The Miz : 11 (No Final Fours)
The Undertaker : 10
Chris Jericho : 10
Solofa Fatu Jr. (Fatu, The Sultan, Rikishi) : 10
Kofi Kingston : 10 (No Final Fours)
Randy Orton : 10
Randy Orton : 9
Triple H : 9
Dolph Ziggler : 9
Mark Henry : 9 (No Final Fours)
Nelson Frazier (Mabel, Viscera, Big Daddy V) : 9 (No Final Fours)

Final Fours
People With Multiple: 23
People With At Least One: 64
Glen Jacobs : 6
Randy Orton : 6
Batista : 5
John Cena : 5
Roman Reigns : 5
Shawn Michaels : 5
Steve Austin : 5
Triple H : 5
Sheamus : 4
The Undertaker : 4
Chris Jericho : 3
Davey Boy Smith : 3
Edge : 3
Hulk Hogan : 3
The Rock : 3

Belt Distribution
WWE Champions (Includes WWF, WWE, World Heavyweight and Universal): 54
NWA/WCW Title: 25 (Includes 3 from the Invasion angle)
ECW/AWA/NXT Title: 38 (Includes WWECW)
IC Title: 81
US Title: 70
Telvision/European/Cruiserweight: 52
WWF Tag: 149
WCW Tag: 46
Rumble Winners: 22
Hall of Famers: 56
 

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If you were wondering how I burned myself out on wrestling, there ya go.
i dont know whats more taxing. undertaking a task like this, or watching a rusev/lashley/lana segment. incredible work here though. wwe should hire you for weird statistician shit.
 

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I need to find a way to get paid for all the useless stat work I do between wrestling, fantasy football and the draft. Having a full time job is just stunting my potential. :sadwalk:
 

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I need to find a way to get paid for all the useless stat work I do between wrestling, fantasy football and the draft. Having a full time job is just stunting my potential. :sadwalk:
i feel like if i start early enough this year we could do a combo thing with the draft, i already have a small cult following (aka: 6-10 sanitation workers from work that realize me having the time to do this on top of picking up 13 tons of garbage every day is fascinating), that maybe we could make something out of this! the wrestling and fantasy football is all yours. fantasy football is too much of a crapshoot come game day and wrestling is... wrestling. i love wrestling, ive been watching it for 30 years, but id have to be REALLY fuckin bored to do something like you just did for the rumble (says the guy who also checked every opener in history from wm1 to the end of 2011).
 

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i feel like if i start early enough this year we could do a combo thing with the draft, i already have a small cult following (aka: 6-10 sanitation workers from work that realize me having the time to do this on top of picking up 13 tons of garbage every day is fascinating), that maybe we could make something out of this! the wrestling and fantasy football is all yours. fantasy football is too much of a crapshoot come game day and wrestling is... wrestling. i love wrestling, ive been watching it for 30 years, but id have to be REALLY fuckin bored to do something like you just did for the rumble (says the guy who also checked every opener in history from wm1 to the end of 2011).
so, you're saying we have 6-10 new guys for GML?
 
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